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Data problem in Latvia

8 Jul 2024
by Nobody99
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There are a LOT of tiny roads in Latvia that are classified as paved when in reality they are barely passable dirt tracks.


Taking an educated guess, it seems like it’s only on unmaintained “roads”, of which there are a lot.  Is it possible that cycle.travel is importing roads that aren’t classified as either paved or unpaved and assuming they’re paved?


Or is this 100% on OSM?

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Wed 10 Jul 2024, 11:59

Most road types in OSM are “assumed paved” in developed countries if not explicitly stated otherwise. But sometimes people map roads from aerial imagery without actually going there and don’t fill in the surface type. Could you give a few examples?

Thu 11 Jul 2024, 04:24

https://cycle.travel/map?from=Kuld%C4%ABga&to=Liepaja&fromLL=56.9685757,21.960778&toLL=56.5048435,21.0070903

Km 5⇒15 of this are 100% dirt trails.  After Snepele, the turn cycle.travel wanted me to make was also a dirt trail.  There were many others in previous days, but I'd have to go sync up video and gps tracks to let you know exactly where, lol.

Thu 11 Jul 2024, 04:29

Or I should say, just before Snepele:

https://www.google.com/maps/@56.850822,21.9543658,3a,75y,239.69h,86.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbbLQsjEd36fHGqmMHuhnWw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DbbLQsjEd36fHGqmMHuhnWw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D239.6918467884383%26pitch%3D3.579913011447445%26thumbfov%3D90!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205410&entry=ttu

^ is the branch at km16, and 

https://www.google.com/maps/@56.8528402,21.9528377,3a,75y,64.33h,78.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8xTcHsb9xoVbXwLgG--ZcA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D8xTcHsb9xoVbXwLgG--ZcA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D64.32526072925054%26pitch%3D11.140228490746352%26thumbfov%3D90!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205410&entry=ttu

^ is where I came from just before that.  While it looks okay right there, a few hundred meters back it's basically two cycle tracks with grass in between.

Anyway, the point is, definitely not paved ;)

Thu 11 Jul 2024, 04:31

And if you look at GPS around there, you can see almost nothing is paved, but cycle.travel thinks most of it is

Thu 11 Jul 2024, 04:31

*satellite, not gps

Thu 11 Jul 2024, 11:52

Thanks! I’m away from home at the moment so not able to do a proper investigation right now but will do so when I’m back. 

Sat 20 Jul 2024, 09:49

As suspected it’s an OpenStreetMap data issue – these are marked as normal minor roads as paved roads are in the rest of Europe, it’s just that no-one has marked them as unpaved. It looks like the Latvian mappers need to put a bit of attention into that!

I don’t think there’s a whole lot that c.t can do about this unfortunately – taking the opposite approach, and assuming that minor roads in Latvia are unpaved, would mean that the routing would gravitate onto busier roads instead. It probably just needs a few days’ work in OSM to fix the worst examples.

Mon 22 Jul 2024, 13:42

I just toured through most of Latvia, and the area I gave was just an example, I actually started ignoring CT's routes in Latvia and just following Google Maps' driving directions as those "busy" roads are not even remotely busy.  Educated guesstimate, half of all the roads in the country outside of cities are marked incorrectly.  There's just nobody there to care I guess, lol.

Mon 22 Jul 2024, 16:46

Yes, lots seem to be wrong, including even roads marked as highway=primary – even the US (which is notorious for untagged, unpaved roads) has its major roads correctly tagged. I don't think there's anything c.t can do about this unfortunately.

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