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Just wondering, am I being thick or is the only way to access these  forums via the 'feedback' link at the bottom of pages (or via a lucky Google search)? It's not very obvious - maybe there would be more input if it was easier to find?

Claerwen reservoir track (mid Wales)

I rode this track around this reservoir the other day (and further west until it joins a paved road). I expected, judging from the colouring on, for it to be mostly a smooth cycle path (only a short section in the middle was marked as unpaved). Not so! It's rough the whole way, and pretty hard work in many places. I have since updated OSM to change the surface type.

OSM may still need more work perhaps Richard could check?

Afsluitdijk - Netherlands

I can't seem to create a route passing along this cycle route in the Netherlands (part of the North Sea route?) , always routes around the inside of Ijsselmeer. The routing info looks OK on OpenStreetMap

Finding hotels

I'm a little confused by the option for finding accommodation along a route. The symbol ££££ suggests to me more expensive hotels than just a  single £, but in the area I'm looking at (Puglia, Italy) some fairly low-cost hotels only appear when the ££££ is selected. But some pricier ones appear when ££ is selected.

On an associated issue, all the hotels link direct to (which I already use quite a lot) - do you get commission per click from them, or from the hotels? I'm intrigued, but maybe you aren't able to say!

Ev8 test

Trying to ride on sand! I tried this route recently while on holiday in southern Spain - although marked as Eurovelo8 there are no cycle route signs and most of the route is across loose sand - impossible to ride, or even push, a bike. If I route just the southern section of this using, there's no mention of even being off-road. The whole experience was disappointing because I went to this area specifically because it is one of the few bits of Spanish coast that doesn't have a main road running alongside it. 

So, I got to thinking, there needs to be some authoritative way of making would-be long-distance cycle tourists aware of how good (or bad) these Eurovelo routes are. I know that so much depends on the OSM data (and I've just edited OSM to change the surface of this route to 'sand') but the OSM database doesn't provide enough detail to generate what's required. I wonder how difficult it would be to construct a database/map showing how "realised" these European routes are, on a km-by-km basis? The official Eurovelo website is hopeless at this (unless I've missed something). Richard, any thoughts?

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